Lees en huiver. Je zal er maar wonen...
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Lees en huiver. Je zal er maar wonen...
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Blog vanuit NO... is net een oorlogszone.
Lang leve de JOE NAAIT HET STEEDS.......
Heeft niets met USA te maken, zet 20.000 mensen uit een achterstandswijk bijelkaar, mensen hebben normaal nergens geld voor: vloed en wind -> eindelijk kunnen "shoppen", jongens uit achterstandswijk zijn toch al niet de lekkersten en kunnen nu min of meer ongestraft hun agressie op politie en leger uiten. De zwakkeren hebben eindelijk het rijk alleen en dan breekt de pleuris uit. Het enige wat de USA "uniek" maakt is het wapenbezit. Maar plunderingen en ellende heb je na zo'n ramp in de meeste landen wel.Citaat:
Oorspronkelijk geplaatst door DutchDaddy
Bush's war on terrorism & for oil kostenplaatje: luttele miljarden aan dollars in Irak en Afghanistan, een weggespoeld New Orleans in puin en staat van beleg en een behoorlijk deel van de petrochemische industrie aldaar van de kaart. Dus nog minder olie beschikbaar, dat was toch niet de bedoeling?
Voor Bush's ambt termijn wist men al dat New Orleans in de toekomst grote schade kon gaan ondervinden van een orkaan. De moerassen die daar tussen de zee en de stad liggen worden steeds maar kleiner. Het zijn echter deze moerassen die een natuurlijke buffer vormen die bescherming biedt aan de stad tov orkanen. Sinds Bush president is, heeft hij het nationaal budget dat werdt gespendeerd aan het onderzoek en concrete projecten ter bescherming van New Orleans en ter versteviging van die natuurlijk buffer met de helft teruggebracht. Ik denk dat dit niet meer de ver van mijn bed show voor het merendeel van de Amerikanen is en dat zou Bush wel eens zuur kunnen gaan opbreken. Heb de indruk dat de natuur ipv Al-Qaeda Bush de grootste slag in het gezicht heeft gegeven.
Al bij al is het natuurlijk een emotioneel drama en een cultureel verlies, aangezien ik New Orleans op cultureel vlak altijd een aparte stad heb gevonden tav andere Amerikaanse steden.
Zo had ik het nog niet bekeken......Misschien komt Bush zo aan zijn verdiende 'Nixon' einde!
Yup, erg jammer. Nu maar hopen dat dit allemaal weer een beetje recht te trekken is...
Wist dit gisteren ook nog niet, hoor Frank. Tijdens het TV zappen ben ik blijven hangen op een reportage hieromtrent op een Nederlandse zender, waar men ook Nederlandse specialisten hieromtrent raadpleegde.
Vraag me dan wel af waarom je dit soort zaken niet hebt gezien bij de nasleep van de tsunami in Zuid-Oost Azië. Veel meer mensen die zo mogelijk nog armer zijn, in een nog groter rampgebied, namen daar vrij snel de bijl in de hand om terug aan de opbouw te beginnen ipv op elkaar of de hulpdiensten beginnen te gaan inslaan en en masse te gaan plunderen.Citaat:
Oorspronkelijk geplaatst door themadpilot
Minder wapenbezit daar, volgens mij...
En de Aziatische volksaard is ook wat positiever en volgzamer dan op veel andere plaatsen. Ik vrees dat het hier niet veel anders zou verlopen dan in New Orleans.
Civilisatie is een uiterst dun schilletje; dat blijkt maar wel weer.
Dat mensen onder die omstandigheden eten en drinken uit supermarkten plunderen, is tot daaraan toe. Maar bendes die banken, juweliers, medeburgers ed plunderen, is heel iets anders.
Ik heb gelezen dat hulphelikopters worden beschoten, ambulances ook. :shock:
Hulp zal nog even op zich laten wachten. De stad heeft 75% zwarte inwoners. De regering zal ze eerst wel even onderling schoonmaak laten houden, voordat ze komen om de rest op te ruimen.
Wat een toestand.
Het was een prachtige stad; ik ben er vaak geweest.
Burgemeester van New Orleans heeft zich even lekker kwaad gemaakt over het gebrek aan medewerking uit Washington.Citaat:
He just made it back said saying the news is only showing 10% of what reallying going on. He said he went out on his bike to check on some neighbors when he came up on the local hardwhare store that has beethere for over 100yrs. He said 6 guys were robbing the place stealing the industrail floor scrubers and loading them into a HOME DEPOT van that was obviously stolen. WTF!! He told them it's a F8(king shame what you're doing" He said about 4 of them pulled out guys and said "**** you cracker, this is our time, pay ack for being oppessed"
He said in fear of his life he hauled azz. He said as he was leaving a mob of about 20 people were carrying axes breaking into peoples homes and stealing. He said most places that are being hit are jewlery stores and drug stores.
He said the icing on the cake is when he was at a 4way stop (red lights are out) when he heard a loud noise it was a truck that rammed into Wal-Mart. Around 50-100 people ran inside and wheeled out entire clothes racks, DVD players, etc.
Our house is fine, no damage except for the roof but now worried about MOFO's stealing our stuff.
I'm sure I'll get flammed but we are going back Thursday or Friday to get out stuff. Firepower and ammo will not be lacking I can asure you.
PART 2:
First off I wanted to post what REALLY is going on in this city. Please don't get this thread locked people. The news stations are only showing a minuscule of reality. This post may offend some people but I will post what I saw, like it or not it is REALITY.
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Well last night I was watching the 6pm news when they announced the 17th street canal pumps failed as well as another break in the levee. My house is right off St. Charles Ave. and up to 6pm yesterday is was the only part of the city that was dry. Since the pumps failed and the new break St. Charles Ave. would be under 9ft of water in the next 12-15hrs. My brother and I felt if we wanted to save anything we had to leave NOW. We loaded up flashlights, rope, our medical ID's, both our .45 Glocks, 2 shotguns and rode out. En-route we listened to the radio which broad casted all the news about the looters and what not, in hindsight it was a mistake. My mother didn't want us to go by dad who is a Vietnam vet told to be safe and "shoot to kill" if it ever comes to that.
One the way we had to pass 5-6 checkpoints to allow entry into the city. We stated we were medical personnel who were activated, showed our ID and off we went. On the radio reports were coming in about the officer who was shot in the head, the 2 gunman who opened fired on the NOPD station, and how looters were carjacking cars to get out of the city. This started making my brother nervous and giving seconds thoughts.
Anyway we get to the city and it looks like a freaking war zone. The best visual I can give is the movie "Blackhawk Down" when all the Somalians are rushing the city. They are people EVERYWHERE, they are pissed off, and all have weapons, 2X4's, Axes, and guns. If this wasn't bad enough we are 2 white boys in a truck in a sea several hundred armed pissed off blacks. There wasn't a white person to be found. I couldn't get over the little 8-10yr old kids with weapons, I ever saw one carry a claw hammer!
These people were absolutely nuts rammed trucks(stolen I'm sure) in to jewelry stores stealing items, they were tearing apart Wal-Mart carrying out TV's, Playstations, DVD players, etc. One lady was wheeling out an entire rack of merchandise, not sure what it was but sure wasn't clothes for food. They were all laughing and carrying on like it's freaking Christmas.
We got stuck in traffic when we see the group of guys walking down the street w/ AK-47's, at that point the "pucker factor" kicked in, a couple Glocks and shotguns were no match for that. We haul azz trying to get to Uptown when we see these people chopping down the front door w/ an axe of this $4-5 million dollar mansion on ST. Charles Ave. I was just in total awe because it was so surreal. Making matters worse it's 11pm at night there is no electricity and you really can see anything or anyone until they are right up on you.
Our plan was to be in and out in 30min, this included putting his Harley on the trailer. It would have taken me 5-10min tops to get my stuff, all I wanted was my pictures from college, my clothes/shoes, and my computer tower. Well he got scared saying we are going to get jumped while putting the bike on the trailer. Keep in mind this is the only area in the city that is dry. So just like rats who move to higher ground these people were doing the same. Word must have gotten out that Uptown was dry so there started to be a large influx of people.
Needless to say he wanted to go home rather than take our chances. While it was the smart thing to do I was beyond infuriated w/ him because we made it this far. He just kept saying our lives aren't worth it. So we turned around, our next challenge was getting out of the city while not getting jacked. Reports came out that people were jumping in the back of truck holding the drivers at gunpoint. Traffic started to slow so I just nailed it got out as fast as I could.
Even though he was the voice of reason I'm still pissed. All I have is my life and the clothes on my back. I lost my house(which is now 9ft underwater) ALL my clothes, TV, computer, furniture, and photo albums and videos from childhood and college. What makes this worse is my brother owned the house and I was a tenant and I didn't have renters insurance, hindsight is 20/20.
I also hope everyone of the f-cking looters get Tetanus, E-Coli and F*(KING drown. I'm serious I really hope the all die for what they were doing to the city, killing people, and destroying homes. Never in my life have I ever seen people act live savages, it was truly sicking.
...matt...
---UPDATE-----
Well I attempted fate again and went back to the city. Didn't want to start a flame fest so I figured I'd post afterward. Most of you will not/do not understand WHY I went back but I think some will. This time we went in broad daylight and initially there was to be five but ended up three. We were armed w/ two pistols each(plus 2 back up) and each having 12-gague shot guns (Police/Military spec Remington 870). Once again we were force through 5 checkpoints had to show ID. At the last checkpoint the State Trooper asked "Are you carrying" to which we said yes and he then replied "Good, you may have to use them."
Overall the Westbank of the city is pretty dry, surprisingly. We exited at Tchoupitoulas and it is right near the Superdome w/people everywhere. The road was clear and we didn't stop. First we went to my buddy's house on Magazine which was dry as a bone, no water what so ever. My bro and I set up a perimeter while Lance went inside to get his stuff. Heilo's were everywhere, Coast Guard, local oil company, Huey's and even Blackhawks. I'm outside and these two people pass pushing a shopping car and the women is staring at the gun. She said "Damn dat's a big 'ole gun, I just smiled and shook my head "yes". A truck full of National Guards pass by and when they saw us they cheered "Who Hoo" I'm assuming b/c the guns. What was frightening was they they didn't have any guns! We finished there and went on to my house. I was pretty pumped because Lance's house was dry and only a couple blocks down from mmine on the other side of St. Charles. Well my joy shortly faided when every street was covered with water and 200yr old oak branches. We turn the corner and see one of the famous historic New Orleans homes, I mean MANSION to be inhabited by a family who OBVIOUSLY did not live there. I mean this is easily a $5-6 million dollar home and these people are sitting on the porch, kids playing football in the yard, clothes strung out on the lawn. I just couldn't believe it.
The closest I could get to the house without submerging the truck was 5 blocks,great. Water was up to my waist and I'm 5'10. At one point we had o "tightrope walk" across a cemetery wall because the water was so deep it was easily over our heads. As we are walking we are passing families sitting on the porch just watching us, I felt sorry for them. We finally make it to the house and there is about 4ft of water in front which is good because the house is 6ft off the ground. I was happy the house was dry and not looted. We check the house and it's safe and we grab the bare essential, clothes, pictures, documents. I had to leave my new TV, computer, stereo, etc. Well I had about 50lbs in each hand which I soon learned was too much. I'm not weak by any means but carrying 80-100lbs that many blocksabove water was WORK!. Sadly we couldn't get the Harley, but for now it is safe and dry. We gave the family on the porch a couple gallons of water from the truck on the way back.
Next we go to Lance's GF's house and while I'm outside making sure everything is cool a neighbor walks up w/ a sidearm and asked if the Military has arrived yet. I tell him about the troops that rode by earlier and he stated he's shot at several people trying to loot neighbor's houses and cars. He was out of 12 gauge buckshot so I gave him a box.
So we are loaded up and heading toward the bridge when we pass the Wal-Mart on Tchoupitoulas and see two soldiers guarding the store. We pull up to talk to him and I guess he saw the shotguns and he IMMEDIATELY drew his weapon. I'm still now certain what type of fully automatic rifle it was (no M16 or anything like that). Anyway we all put our hands up and ask him if it was safe to exit up ahead and if he needed anything like water, ammo, etc. He said "I'll take all the ammo you can spare". I asked if they are low already and he stated that in anticipation of the storm they sent all the weapons and ammo to Jackson,Ms and it flooded before they could get to them. So THAT is why none of the Guardsmen are carrying. We gave him all the ammo we had minus what was in our clips. So they ended up w/ around 5-6 boxes of buckshot and 150-200 rounds of hollow point .45
He then said 'Be careful up ahead they are rioting at the Superdome. Whatever you do DO NOT STOP. We leave and take the on ramp and infront of us is 200-300 people blocking the on ramp trying to get out of the city. We put out guns to the windows(they have been carjacking every car leaving the city) held the horn and never dropped below 15mph. People were moving away then rushing the truck but after seeing the guns they backed off. I really felt bad for some of those people because they looked tired and have a looong walk ahead of them but we weren't taking any chances
Tjongejonge, toch handig dat er meer wapens zijn dan Amerikanen :?
Hier zijn al wat overlays te zien :shock:
http://earth.google.com/katrina.html
Militairen in New Orleans mogen op vandalen schieten
Driehonderd manschappen van de Nationale Garde zijn vanuit Irak naar New Orleans gekomen om de orde te herstellen. De gouverneur van Lousiana heeft ze toestemming gegeven om op vandalen te schieten. Dat is afgelopen nacht bekend geworden. In New Orleans heerst op veel plaatsen chaos en anarchie in de nasleep van de orkaan Katrina.
De burgemeester van de stad heeft om hulp gevraagd in wat hij zelf een wanhopige SOS-boodschap noemde. Er is nauwelijks voedsel en water voor de tienduizenden mensen die er vast zitten en hulpverlening verloopt erg moeizaam. Verder bestaat er een groot risico op het uitbreken van ziektes, omdat riolen niet functioneren en lichamen van slachtoffers door de straten drijven. Meer dan tachtig procent van New Orleans staat onder water.
De autoriteiten willen alle ruim 50.000 mensen die nog in de stad zijn, evacueren. Op verschillende plaatsen is de sfeer grimmig doordat er nauwelijks bussen zijn om mensen naar een andere plek te brengen. Ook worden winkels geplunderd en is er geschoten op agenten en reddingshelikopters.
Mooi zo. Afknallen dat tuig.
Dat je in je primaire levensbehoeften voorziet vind ik prima. Je hebt geen keus.
Het gajes dat electronica winkels, banken, huizen enz. enz. leegroeft is nu geukkig vogelvrij verklaard.
En als je met een AK47 op een rodekruis helicopter gaat staan knallen ben je werkelijk ziek in je hoofd.
Mee eens,
Ik heb gister even een tijd cnn gekeken .... waaronder een interview van een paar mensen die in een supermarkt waren...
Ze voelde zich geen dieven, ze pakte enkel wat ze nodig hadden (en idd, een man had een tas vol met bronwater, wat blikvoer en jodium/pleisters)
Dit terwijl er ook "dure" spullen om hem heen stond.
De hulpverlening is echt om te janken natuurlijk (het 1e konvooi met hulpgoederen kwam na pas na 4-5 dagen aan :? .... dat had sneller gekund)